I picked up an Echo Plus thinking I could control many of the smart color LED bulbs like Sylvania Osram, Philips and so forth that previously needed hubs. However, although I can turn them on and off with Alexa, I can only change colors with voice and not with the app, and I can't create any scenes or routines. Alexa still needs the Sylvania Lightify app to control the colors via routines or scenes, and the app needs the Lightify hub to be installed, it can't be installed without it. So essentially, although I have the Echo Plus, it really didn't buy me much since the Alexa app doesn't have any new controls built into it to take the place of the 3rd party hub controls in their apps. Is Alexa going to get these controls, the echo plus hub isnt very useful otherwise.